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Wāhanga 6 – Me aha a Leeana?
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Clip 6 – W hat should Leeana do?
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Ripeka
E ai ki ngā koroua, ngā kuia o mua, ko te kai a te rangatira ko te kōrero. E riro te tuku pea i te kōrero kātahi ka kite atu ngā āhuatanga e rua nei. Heoi anō, kei raro tonu pea i te maru kotahi. Mā te kōrero pea kātahi ka āta puta mai me pēhea rā te mahi i tēnei mahi, me pēhea rā … , kei hea rā te mea tika mō tēnei nā, mā te kōrero pea tērā kā puta mai.
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Ripeka
According to our koroua and kuia, discussion was the food of chiefs. It was through discussion that these two aspects were apparent. However, it came under the one mantle. Through discussion, it was apparent how this should be done, what is the correct way or process – through talking that would come out.
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Heeni
Koinā kei te noho koe ki te hoatu tautoko, ki te hoatu manaakitanga, ki te hoatu huarahi hei awhi i tō hoa kia tika ai tana haere. I tipu mai au pērā, i tipu mai tātou katoa pērā. Pēnā kei te hē tō mahi, ka whakatikahia koe e tō koroua, kuia.
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Heeni
You are there to support, to care for, to offer pathways to help your friend get on the right track. I grew up like that; we all grew up like that. If you did something wrong, you were corrected by your koroua [grandfather] or your kuia [grandmother].
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Me kōrero te tangata he aha kei roto i tana … tana hinengaro. Kaua e pupuri nā te mea ko koe ka raru, koinā anake aku kōrero. Kāore au i te titiro i tēnei … i tēnei … wā ki te tuakana-teina āhuatanga nā te mea ki a au nei karekau tēnei i te tuakana-teina … take. Tēnei he … he whakahoahoa, he whakawhanaungatanga, he whaka … he awhi tētahi i tētahi, he kōrero pono tētahi ki tētahi.
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The person should say what’s on their mind. Don’t hold on to it because you’re the one who will have difficulty, that’s all I have to say. I’m not looking at this in the context of an elder-junior relationship because I don’t believe it’s an elder-junior issue. This is friendship, relationship, family – helping one another, being truthful to each other.
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Leeana
Ko tētahi mea kua ako au pea ki te kore e mahi, ka ngaro pea tētahi āhuatanga. Nō reira kaua e waiho kia tārewa, me tutuki pea i tōna wā, mā te wā pea. Engari me tutuki – kaua e waiho kia tārewa.
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Leeana
Another thing that I have learned is if you don’t address the issue, aspects will be lost. Therefore don’t leave an issue hanging, complete it at the time, or at an appropriate time. But deal with it – don’t leave it unsettled.
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Sarah-Jane
Ki te kore e tū, ā, ki te kōrero, ki te kore e whakawhiti whakaaro me tō tuakana, i te taha o tō tuakana, āe, ka ngaro ngā pūkenga, ka ngaro wētahi atu, ko wērā momo mea mō ngā tamariki.
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Sarah-Jane
If you don’t stand, and speak, if you don’t discuss the ideas with your tuakana [older person], alongside your tuakana, yes, skills will be lost and other things will be lost, those things for our children.
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Wini
Ka ngaro te ia o te kaupapa mēnā kāore te tangata e whakaputa kōrero. Kāore te tangata e mōhio me pēhea ia mēnā kāore tētahi e whakaputa te kōrero. Nō reira, ahakoa he āwangawanga te kōrero ki te pakeke, me kōrero. Ko tērā te mea tika, te mea pono, kia pai ake ai te tangata e whakaako ana i mua o ngā kaiako. Nō reira kia kaha ki te kimi i te huarahi.
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Wini
The point of the issue is lost if the person doesn’t discuss it. The person won’t know what to do unless someone tells them. So although it can be awkward talking to elders, you should speak up. That’s the most important thing, the honest thing to do, in order to improve the way in which a person teaches the teachers. So be strong and find a way.
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Heeni
Me whakareri te tangata i ai ia mō tērā kōrero. Kaua e haere pararu atu ki roto i taua kōrero. It’s an important time and you show its importance when you’re prepared.
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Heeni
The person should prepare themselves for that discussion. Don’t go unprepared into the discussion. It’s an important time and you show its importance when you’re prepared.
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Ripeka
Ko te mea kē, kaua māu te huarahi e kimi, mā tēnei te huarahi e kimi - mā kōrua te huarahi e kimi. Koira kē pea te rekekētanga me whai kōrua, kia puta mai ai kōrua ki te ao mārama. Ā, kia taea ai kōrua te tutuki i tēnā ao i runga anō i ā kōrua tikanga, i ā kōrua mana ake kia kore ai kōrua e wehe haere i runga i tēnā huarahi e whāia haere rā kōrua.
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Ripeka
The important point to be made here is that it’s not for you only to find a solution, but for both of you to find the solution. That perhaps is the difference – working collaboratively, you two will understand. Both of you will be able to achieve in that world while holding on to your own values and your integrity, so that you won’t be dissuaded from the path you are pursuing.
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